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Tuesday, August 25, 2015

You Gotta Believe - or not

Atheist minister vows to fight removal from United Church due to her beliefs


“An ordained United Church of Canada minister who believes in neither God nor Bible said Wednesday she is prepared to fight an unprecedented attempt to boot her from the pulpit for her beliefs.

“In an interview at her West Hill church, Rev. Gretta Vosper said congregants support her view that how you live is more important than what you believe in.”

Unprecedented in the UCC. Believe it or not, ordained ministers have been removed for their beliefs in the past. And it still happens occasionally in other denominations today. It’s true! Certain Muslim sects remove more than the preacher from the pulpit; but that is an anomaly.

“What's important, she says, is that her views hearken to Christianity's beginnings, before the focus shifted from how one lived to doctrinal belief in God, Jesus and the Bible.”

Sure, why not? Were any of us there? We don’t know. Or as, Rev. Gretta Vosper said, "It's mythology. We build a faith tradition upon it which shifted to find belief more important than how we lived."

I’m just wondering, who exactly, Rev. Vosper thinks promulgated the Beatitudes and the Golden Rule, and why they should be any sort of guide to ‘how one lived’ if they are the imagined preaching of a mythical person. I think she may have slept through some of her theology – and logic classes back at seminary.

Here is a bit of information that answers a question raised in my mind up in the opening paragraph:
“Vosper made her views clear as far back as a Sunday sermon in 2001 but her congregation stood behind her until a decision to do away with the Lord's Prayer in 2008 prompted about 100 of the 150 members to leave. The rest backed her.”

2/3rds clearly didn’t ‘back her’. 50 people isn’t a lot of backing.
But wait for the big finish:


"If the cost of that is that we are no longer welcome within that denomination, it will be because that denomination has defined us out of it, not because we have defined ourselves out of it."

Tuesday, March 31, 2015

Celebrate Atheists' Day - April 1

The whole Universe is a large joke.
Everything in the Universe are just subdivisions of this joke.
So why take anything too serious.
-- Frank Zappa

there is no question that religion promulgates and renders sacrosanct attitudes toward women that would be unseemly in a brachiating ape.
-- Sam Harris

The Blessed Virgin Mary, Mother of our Lord and Queen of Heaven may disagree.

The criticism of religion disillusions man, so that he will think, act, and fashion his reality like a man who has discarded his illusions and regained his senses, so that he will move around himself as his own true Sun. Religion is only the illusory Sun which revolves around man as long as he does not revolve around himself.
-- Karl Marx

Man revolving around himself is a good thing? Like a Whirling Dervish or a brachiating ape.

Dear god if you were alive
you know we'd kill you
-- Marilyn Manson

Yeah. He knows

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 Larry Flynt 

As opposed to, oh, pornography?

Most of the greatest evils that man has inflicted upon man have come through people feeling quite certain about something which, in fact, was false.
-- Bertrand Russell,

Sam Harris, Christopher Hitchens and others might take heed...

Gullibility and credulity are considered undesirable qualities in every department of human life — except religion.... Why are we praised by godly men for surrendering our “godly gift” of reason when we cross their mental thresholds?

Tell it to St. John Paul II, Chris
An Atheist believes that a hospital should be built instead of a church. An Atheist believes that a deed must be done instead of a prayer said. An Atheist strives for involvement in life and not escape into death. He wants disease conquered, poverty vanished, war eliminated.
-- Madalyn Murray O'Hair

The evidence indicates otherwise

  • "Do you ask if it's ever proper to help another man? ... Yes — if such is your own desire based on your own selfish pleasure." Ayn Rand

Saturday, September 26, 2009

Next week, blasphemy gets its own holiday

A friend brought this to my attention. As I read, I had difficulty getting too upset. I certainly wasn't amused but perhaps bemused. The folks quoted give me the impression of being petulant children begging for attention by making a scene about something the adults around them are doing.

Next week, blasphemy gets its own holiday


By Leanne Larmondin


TORONTO—You’ve never seen Jesus like this before: dripping red nail polish around the nails in his feet and hands, an irreverent riff on the crucifixion wounds. The provocative title of the painting: “Jesus Does His Nails.”


Blasphemous? Absolutely. Deliberately provocative? You bet.

But childish and even amateurish in comparison to the famous bit of blasphemous art perpetrated by Andres Serrano. Somehow seems kinda high school to me.


It is part of an upcoming art exhibit in Washington that will mark the first-ever International Blasphemy Day next Wednesday (Sept. 30) at the Center for Inquiry DC near Capitol Hill.

Hmm. I suppose 'international' because someone is coming down from Toronto. I doubt the contingent from Saudi Arabia or Pakistan will be very large... Like "Tom's Famous Steaks and Hoagies" I'm also impressed by their presumption that they are the first group to publicly blaspheme. Still seems like that grade-school boy who says, 'poopie' and giggles at his own trangressivity.


Artist Dana Ellyn says her “Blasphemy” paintings are a tongue-in-cheek expression of her lack of belief in God and religion. The self-described “agnostic atheist”—she doesn’t believe in the existence of any deity but can’t say for sure one doesn’t exist—says her introduction to religion was in college when she studied art history. Stories from the Bible, she says, are just that: stories.

So, Ms Ellyn isn't serious about her blasphemy, but she is organizing an art show around it. I smell an opportunist. Oh, and is it just me or is there something irrational about someone who doesn't believe in God whether He exists or not. Seems like the sort of anti-intellectualism and lack of rationalism that the Center for Inquiry would eschew. But, at least Ms Ellyn bases her opinion on a sound intellectual background of a college art history class. Certainly, that is enough for her to justify gainsaying 2000 years of theological, philosophical and intellectual history.


“My point is not to offend, but I realize it can offend, because religion is such a polarizing topic,” Ellyn said of the exhibit.

Any bets on where Ms Ellyn comes down on the 'polarizing topic' of children rescued from Abortion?

This from the Facebook page for Blasphemy Day: "The purpose of Blasphemy Day is not to promote hate or violence; it is to support free speech, support the right to criticize and satirize religion..."

So, they would probably be all in favor of this picture:


Atheists, skeptics, freethinkers and free-speech advocates around the world will mark Blasphemy Day by mounting their soapboxes—figuratively and literally—and uttering words and displaying images that may cause offense.


And they’re making no apologies.


“We’re not seeking to offend, but if in the course of dialogue and debate, people become offended, that’s not an issue for us,” said Justin Trottier, a Toronto coordinator of Blasphemy Day and executive director of the Ontario chapter of the Center for Inquiry. “There is no human right not to be offended.”

Mark Steyn has found out differently from the Canadian Human Rights Commissions. Various campus 'speech codes' also give the lie to this bit of silliness. Perhaps Mr Trottier should be asked why he isn't having his show in Toronto. And does he really expect rational people to believe him when 'Jesus Does His Nails' is one of the exhibits? Sophmoric in word and deed.


St. Thomas Aquinas described blasphemy—deliberately showing contempt or irreverence for something considered sacred—as a sin “committed directly against God ... more grave than murder.” In the Gospel of Mark, Jesus said, “Whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit can never have forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin.”


While it may sound as anachronistic as a witchcraft trial, blasphemy remains punishable by death in countries like Pakistan and Afghanistan. In addition, Ireland recently introduced a defamation law making blasphemy punishable by fines up to 25,000 euros ($37,000 US). What’s more, six U.S. states (Massachusetts, Michigan, South Carolina, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania and Wyoming) have laws that, in some way, prohibit or regulate blasphemy, noted Ron Lindsay, a lawyer and president of the CFI International in Amherst, N.Y.


CFI also cites efforts by the United Nations to introduce anti-blasphemy resolutions that many say would curtail free speech about religion.

These grown-up babies with more time and money than sense are really giving blasphemy a bad name. Grown-ups know that the UN resolutions are being pushed by Islamic states to protect their Islamic theocracies and to add cover for their persecution of Christians and converts from Islam. That is a serious subject. This nonsense is really nothing more than a stunt by the emotionally impoverished that is nevertheless dangerous in that it may lead an impressionable person astray. Again, I have little doubt that the organizers would be aghast at truly radical public utterances; like those of St. Francis of Assisi:

"My little sisters, the birds, much bounden are ye unto God, your Creator, and always in every place ought ye to praise Him, for that He hath given you liberty to fly about everywhere, and hath also given you double and triple rainment; moreover He preserved your seed in the ark of Noah, that your race might not perish out of the world; still more are ye beholden to Him for the element of the air which He hath appointed for you; beyond all this, ye sow not, neither do you reap; and God feedeth you, and giveth you the streams and fountains for your drink; the mountains and valleys for your refuge and the high trees whereon to make your nests; and because ye know not how to spin or sow, God clotheth you, you and your children; wherefore your Creator loveth you much, seeing that He hath bestowed on you so many benefits; and therefore, my little sisters, beware of the sin of ingratitude, and study always to give praises unto God."


Sept. 30 was chosen for the inaugural Blasphemy Day because it is the anniversary of the 2005 publication of the controversial Muhammad cartoons in the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten. The cartoons resulted in worldwide riots by outraged Muslims and widespread self-censorship by media.

Strange thing is, all of the religiously- oriented paintings on Ms Ellyn's web site are explicitly anti-Christian. If the impetus to this theater really is the cowardly response of the Danish government and newspapers to the violent Muslim reaction to the Danish cartoons (which they should be protecting as incidents of free speech), why has Ms Ellyn refrained from her own satire of Islam and Mohammad?


Lindsay said the Blasphemy Day events are part of his group’s larger Campaign for Free Expression, which encompasses more than protection of speech about religion. CFI, he said, aims to expose all religious beliefs to the same level of inquiry, discussion and criticism to which other areas of intellectual interest are subjected.

Judging from the subject matter I reviewed while composing my replies, I cannot fathom why CFI and the rest of the organizers would propose subjecting religious beliefs to a less rigorous level of inquiry, discussion and criticism than they have already been subject to by their adherents and their devout opponents. These witlings cannot hold a scented candle to even the most mediocre theology student.


Besides the Washington art exhibit, Blasphemy Day events include:


-- a Blasphemy-Fest! at CFI Los Angeles that will feature a talk about free speech followed by three provocative films;


-- supporters worldwide have been encouraged to take up The Blasphemy Challenge (http://www.blasphemychallenge.com) by uploading their denials of faith to YouTube. A typical recording: “Hi, my name is Ray and I deny the Holy Spirit. (pause) No lightning. Maybe next time.”


-- a Speaker’s Corner, modeled after the famed soapbox in London’s Hyde Park, and a Blasphemy Challenge at CFI Toronto;


-- a blasphemy contest held by CFI International, in conjunction with its Campaign for Free Expression, in which participants are invited to submit phrases, poems, or statements that would be, or have been, considered blasphemous. Winners will receive T-shirts and mugs printed with their winning phrases.

I have one: "There are no dead atheist!" Think about it...


Will the public events and demonstrations disturb some people? Without a doubt, said Lindsay, but causing offense is not the intention. Participants are encouraged to avoid vulgarity and profanity.

Back in the day, being intentionally blasphemous was considered vulgar and well, I suggest they look up the definition of the word, 'profane.' How does one be profane while avoiding profanity? These rationalists at CFI are awfully irrational.


“We’re stressing that we want something that is insightful and thoughtful,” Lindsay said. “The point we’re trying to make is that we’re against restrictions on speech based purely on the possibility that some people might be offended, because if you go down that path there’s no end to it.”

Indeed.
"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), which oversees the Medicare program for the elderly and disabled as well as privately run Medicare alternatives, on Monday said it was investigating a letter Humana Inc sent enrollees about efforts to overhaul the nation's healthcare system.
"CMS warned Humana it would take necessary enforcement action, and agency spokesman Peter Ashkenaz said Tuesday it is unclear when the investigation will conclude. The company has said it is cooperating with the probe."
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/afx/2009/09/22/afx6916781.html

"Ten-year-old Amanda Kurowski is used to being taught at home by her mother, Brenda Voydatch. Bible study was part of her curriculum until this year, when a judge ordered Voydatch to enroll Amanda in public school.

The court has stepped in and said that this child and the mother are too religious and the child needs to be taken out of that environment and exposed to other worldviews, and that is a constitutional problem for all of us,” says John Anthony Simmons, Voydatch’s attorney.

"The judge’s order goes on to say, “Amanda’s vigorous defense of her religious beliefs… suggests strongly that she has not had the opportunity to seriously consider any other point of view.”"
http://www.nhpr.org/node/26912

Seems like some speech is more equal than other. And there is one thing I'll bet all these rational blasphemers believe in:

Obey, by Dana Ellyn